Monday, August 20, 2007

Giuliani ducks queries about faith and family - Should faith and family be part of the election process?

By: Jonathan Martin Aug 19, 2007 08:30 AM EST MANCHESTER, N.H. — Rudy Giuliani is testing many traditional political rules in his presidential run, perhaps in no way more than in his effort keep his personal faith and family life out of the race. On the stump in Iowa recently and in New Hampshire last week, the former New York mayor was asked about Catholicism and his frayed relationship with his children. Both times he said, in effect, that he’d keep his private life private. “I’ll talk about it appropriately and in a way to preserve as much as I can the privacy of my family and my children, which I think any decent person would,” he told reporters at a stop at a diner here on Friday. Giuliani urged voters “to concentrate on the public things that I’ve accomplished” before turning fire on the media: “See how much do newspapers really have to probe into these things, or how much of it is being done really for reasons that have nothing to do with measuring public performance.” The GOP front-runner has been the subject of detailed articles examining his wife, Judith, and his difficult relationship with his two college-age children, Andrew and Caroline. But it’s not just family matters that Giuliani is wary of delving into. Asked about his religion, Giuliani noted that he has discussed it — but then added that “even parts of that are personal.” His calculus is obvious. He has been married three times and cheated on his second wife. His children have publicly distanced themselves from him. If and when he attends Mass, he can’t take communion because his second marriage was not annulled. And he contradicts church teaching by backing abortion rights. Naturally he’d rather talk about the taxes he cut as mayor. But experts say it will be difficult for a candidate, particularly one running in a party whose base is dominated by cultural traditionalists, to ask voters to separate church and family from state. For many if not most conservatives, matters of faith and family are central to a candidate’s character. “It is untenable,” GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio said of Giuliani’s current posture. “With a third of the party, you can get away with it. The problem is the other two-thirds are the ones that control the nomination.” “People want to get a sense what’s in that person’s heart,” said Fabrizio, who is uncommitted in the race. “Doing a good job on crime is all well and good, but if [voters] don’t have a sense as to what your moral compass is, that’s a problem.” Pointing to a survey he recently did that showed two-thirds of Republicans believe religion “essential to living a good and moral life,” Fabrizio said, “It’s very difficult to see how you communicate what your values are without explaining what they’re based upon.” Part of Giuliani’s problem is the precedent set by the two most recent presidents.
A Southern Baptist who could summon appropriate Scripture for any occasion, Bill Clinton was at ease in the pew or pulpit of any church and during his presidency regularly walked into his own church with Bible in hand. And though he despised having to do it, Clinton also took to national television during his 1992 campaign to admit, with his wife right next to him, that he had “caused pain" in their marriage. President Bush has been equally open about his Christianity. Asked during the 2000 primary to name his favorite political philosopher, Bush responded without hesitation: “Christ, because he changed my heart.” He also candidly talked about the role of religion in helping him quit drinking — a decision that sustained his marriage.Though he’s never been much for discussing his Catholicism — he chafed when asked about his Mass-going practices in a 1998 interview before confessing that he attends only “occasionally” — Giuliani hasn’t always been so hesitant about his family.
In his first run for mayor in 1989, his then-wife, Donna Hanover, narrated a syrupy campaign commercial that sought to soften the tough-guy prosecutor by showing him playing ball with his young son and giving a bottle to his newborn daughter. “And Rudy is such a great dad,” Hanover gushed.
Now, though, such matters are off-limits. “I believe that things about my personal life should be discussed personally and privately,” Giuliani told reporters in Iowa. “Family off limits?” scoffed Scott Huffmon, a political science professor at South Carolina’s Winthrop University. “Wait till his opponents in South Carolina — where the ghost of Lee Atwater hangs over primary politics and people still remember fliers being placed on their windshields about John McCain’s ‘black child’ — start getting serious!” But Giuliani rivals, too, have reasons to downplay personal matters this campaign cycle. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has proudly displayed his wife and five sons on the trail but has shied away from discussing his Mormonism in detail, concerned about potential backlash from evangelical voters who don’t consider the church legitimate. Similarly, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and former Sen. Fred Thompson (Tenn.), who has not officially entered the race, have both had previous marriages and neither is outwardly religious. “Mayor Giuliani is not much different than the other leading Republican contenders in their discussion of their faith,” said Bill Paxon, a former New York congressman who is advising Giuliani’s campaign. “They are all folks who have faith and have individual positions that they subscribe to, but on the other hand they’re not much interested in making that the bedrock of their presidential campaigns.” What’s more, Paxon argued, Giuliani’s messy family life and differences with church teachings are nothing that attentive voters don’t already know about. “None of this is a surprise to most Republican primary voters, and those are the same voters who are consistently rating Rudy Giuliani as the leading Republican contender [in polls]. And he’s getting a lot of that support from many folks who are evangelical Christians.” But Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center and a Christian scholar who studies the intersection of religion and public life, said Giuliani would have to address the issue directly, ideally weaving candor and humor. “He’s got to find a speechwriter that can put together the words and say something like, ‘I’m a Catholic. I’m not a very good one, but I’m trying to be,’” Cromartie said. “I just don’t think he can forever avoid it.” Family matters are a bit different, Cromartie argued, especially when it comes to children. For all their frankness about themselves, both Clinton and Bush guarded their kids from public attention, he observed, and few GOP voters seemed to care that Vice President Cheney’s daughter was a lesbian —despite the best effort of Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) to highlight that fact during a presidential debate in 2004. Fabrizio thinks that Giuliani’s best bet is to keep doing what he’s doing now — but with a wrinkle. “He ought to take a lesson out of Clinton playbook in ’96,” offered Fabrizio, who, as pollster for Clinton's opponent, former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.), recalls that campaign well. “He needs to find issues that are values-tinted.” By that, he means topics that will appeal to conservative voters without veering onto subjects that Giuliani is seeking to avoid. So, for example, whereas Clinton had the v-chip that could block children’s access to some television content, Giuliani could hammer home the need to crack down on cyberporn. Whatever he does, Giuliani’s untraditional bid has already made the Republican contest unique. As Paxon put it after amiably defending his candidate, “This is going to be an unusual cycle.”

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

I believe that Faith and family should be apart of the election process. I know that the candidate's Faith determines a huge part of my vote for President. It is hard, though, when none of the canidates share your own personal morals or beliefs, to still pick a person that you want to represent yourself and your country well. Usually family problems don't matter, but family problems like those of Giuliani do make a difference in my vote. All I know is that my vote will not be for Giuliani. THATS FOR SURE!

BioHazard said...

Faith and family have no bering on the job. If Giuliani can do the best job out of the candiddates I'd vote for him. Admitedly his family life is in a worse state than a train crash but that is not uncommon these days. And if Giuliani dosn't follow a strict religios path dos it matter. If a person can do the job well but has a flaw like they get completly wasted on the weekends and keeps job and personal life separated then it's all good I'd hire them over a saint that can only do mediocre. Giuliani kept bing mayor of New York and his personal life separated, Why souldn't I vote for him.

Anonymous said...

Whether or not you say faith and family should or shouldn't be part of the election process is a waste of time. Your vote is completely private. You can vote for whomever you want for whatever reason you choose. The people who actually care that faith and family background be a factor in the decision making process have the right to use it. Personally, I think people should not base their vote on a candidate's personal life. It should be completely based on their political views. The people who vote against a candidate for their personal life is clearly just looking for a reason NOT to vote for them, and wouldn't anyway. I agree with Giuliani in this case, but it doesn't make a difference what he tells the public.

Glory Allegory said...

The crucial mistake made in this article is grouping family with religious preference. They are two completely different things. Family is a part of a candidate, as is religion, but they do not play a part [or at least they shouldn't...] in the candidate's role as elected leader.

Religion has been one of the world's biggest problems since our existence, in my opinion. It has been causing wars and turning people against one another for... well... ever.

The President of the United States has the right to practice what ever religion [s]he chooses, just like the rest of the country. A little thing called "Separation of Church and State" prevents the government from promoting any religion.

Why should be base a vote on something that couldn't matter?!

Instead of voting for someone with a strong faith in God, why don't we vote for someone with strong faith in OUR COUNTRY?

Anonymous said...

I think the press does get to involved with people's personal lives. They should focus more on their political standpoints not what happens behind closed doors....But it does make you think, if he cant make his mind up on a wife and his own children are against him how is he going to hold up as President?

Anonymous said...

Ms. Courtney,
Faith and Politics are tied together like a shoelace. People in this country vote by their morality, whether it good or bad. To exclude faith and family in a voting process in a country trusted in God and orientated around family is ridiculous. If a man cannot be united in a family how is our country supposed to be united? If the U.S. is supposed to extend human rights to all(in that sense I am saying we don't because unborn babies are not protected under our constitution) and we lack that or a candidate has views against human life and rights, what does that show our country as? Hypocritical, self-interested monsters.

Casper said...

Guiliani is in the race to become the leader of a Country that bases many opinions on first impressions and history. If Guiliani can't decide who he wants to spend the rest of his life with how is he going to decide what countries he would like to become life-long allies with. If his own children can't stand him, how are we going to view him. A president has to be open, nurturing ,and personable,and to me Guiliani is none of those things. Yes, people make mistakes, but we don't want a president who makes 3 mistakes in a row about someone that will be in his life forever, and cheating on his wife has a lot to do with his h morals, and character. Do we want are president to be a lying scatter-brained fool? Guiliani DOES NOT have my vote!!!

violentpose said...

Faith and family shouldn't play a role in the election process. Giuliani is only human, and you can't really judge him by what he does in his own time. I mean, look at the American people. 50% of all marrages end in divorce so can we really criticize him for that? Also, who are you to say that he's not the right candiddate because you don't agree with his personal life? If you completely exlude him from your vote just because of that, you should find out all that Giuliani stands for as a presidential candiddate.

There are ever too many questions, just too many answers.

Lizard said...

Faith and family are very important when choosing whom you want to vote for. When you believe in God or follow a certain religion, if you really believe in that religion most of your decisions and ways of life will be based on the ways of that religion. So I would definitely consider that when voting. As for family, I don’t think that the people need to know every detail about the candidates life because that’s just nosey and annoying. However, the candidate should not feel that they need to hide anything about their family from the people. Then how do people know that that is the only thing that they will hide from them....

Anonymous said...

A candidate's religion will more than likely influence his/her morals. And morals are what that candidate's decisions will be based on. So how else can you predict the views of an elected official? I don't want to only vote on what they think about the current issues but what I think they will say about issues facing the future of their term. Therefore if a candidate isn't open about their religious beliefs then they must have something that they feel will be harmful to their campaign.

Now onto family, we'll use Giuliani as our example. He has been divorced twice, he filed for divorce in 2000 accusing his ex-wife of cruel and inhumane treatment. Her side of the story is that she wanted out because of his "open and notorius adultry." This is where a little word called integrity comes into the picture. If this man can't stay faithful to his wife why should anyone have any reason to believe he'll stay faithful to our country?

Kayla Powell said...

I think that what a candidate believes should play a huge role on who you vote for. I mean come on, our country was based on this one little four word phrase, it is also printed on all of our money...In God We Trust...would you trust America in the hands of an Athiest? I sure as heck wouldn't, that's for sure!!

If you read Wilson's pages 3-10 in the second paragraph it clearly states, and I quote, "...we believe that those who rule-their personalities and beliefs, their virtues and vices-will affect what they do to and for us." I think that's a good enough reason why personal life shouldn't be left out of the Presidential Campaign.

With all these wackjobs out here, who's to say we couldn't be voting in the next Hitler, now it's an extreme case, I know, and probably would never happen, but I'm sure pre 9-11, you would have never thought that terriosts would have the kahunas to fly airplanes into American buildings, did you?

Kayla Powell said...

I think that what a candidate believes should play a huge role on who you vote for. I mean come on, our country was based on this one little four word phrase, it is also printed on all of our money...In God We Trust...would you trust America in the hands of an Athiest? I sure as heck wouldn't, that's for sure!!

If you read Wilson's pages 3-10 in the second paragraph it clearly states, and I quote, "...we believe that those who rule-their personalities and beliefs, their virtues and vices-will affect what they do to and for us." I think that's a good enough reason why personal life shouldn't be left out of the Presidential Campaign.

With all these wackjobs out here, who's to say we couldn't be voting in the next Hitler, now it's an extreme case, I know, and probably would never happen, but I'm sure pre 9-11, you would have never thought that terriosts would have the kahunas to fly airplanes into American buildings, did you?

theaterluvr62 said...

As much as I believe that faith and family life should not be brought to the table, it is kind of hard to go around it. Church and state are supposed to be seperated but that is very hard to do since our roots lead to those who left England for "RELIGIOUS" freedom and started our country. I think they will never be seperated but that shouldn't concern us. I think it is concerning that even when a candidate has tried and tried again to say enough about ME... Let's talk about the politics I am standing for; we won't listen. We would rather make a big deal about someone's past, especially personal than focus on TODAY and the future. Giuliani is trying to put his platform out there... and to tell the truth I don't know exactly what it is because I hear more about his family and faith. I want to know what issues are going to be fixed and how the candidate is going to go about fixing them. When I can vote I will base my decision on the issues at hand in our country... not the candidate's religion or past failures or successes! The candidate must sell their platform to me... and that's what I look for!

Glory Allegory said...

My dear, my dear. This country IS full of self-interested hypocritical monsters. It's America, for the love of politics!

What I was trying to say is that who we are voting for runs the country, not their family. Family values are very important, I'm not denying that. But religion is something that should not determine who we vote for.

I don't care if you're Catholic, Mormon, Islamic, Muslim, Jewish, or an Atheist. I don't care if you're black, if you're homosexual, or if you're a woman.I don't care what your middle name is, or what your daughters do in their spare time. What I care about is that you have what it takes to run this country the way it should be run.

Like I said before, the only thing you need to have faith in is your COUNTRY. We didn't elect you to run a religious sect or something.

Master Waldo said...

First, Ms. Courtney- Islamic and Muslim are not two different things. A Muslim is a follower of Islam, as a Jew follow Judaism and Chritians, Christianity, etc. (Sorry, but that is just a pet peeve of mine when people do that.)

Anyway, your faith is a large part of what determines your morals. As a Christian, my beliefs in God and desire to praise him are what compel me to act like I do. "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."-Ephesians 2:10 I think that if you are devoted to your faith, no matter what it is, it will improve how you act and make descisions. However, it should certainly not one of the more important matters. If a dovout Jew is running for president and his platform agrees with my views more than his opponent's does, I will vote for him.

Anonymous said...

Well i would have to say that faith and family should not affect who we vote for. I say that because if you look at it the way i do, you will see what ol' Rudolph did to N.Y. after 9/11, he cleaned the place up pretty well. And we all know(or should anyway) that Rudy doesn't have the best family life, but he didn't let that affect the way that he did his job.
If their not going to drag their family life into the public then i don't see why the media should or why we should care about it as long as they get the job done

Dancing Queen said...

People say how awful Giuliani is because he made some mistakes. The mistakes he did make were pretty bad, but everyone does a few bad things in their lifetime. I'm sure that there isn't a student in our school who can honestly say that they have never lied or disobeyed their parents. If every time that you asked your parents to do something, they brought up all of your prior mistakes, you wouldn't think that that was very fair and you would become really upset. In our country, we are allowed by the Constitution to make mistakes. So Giuliani made some mistakes. Everyone has misbehaved and if no one will let him try to get past his mistakes, why should we expect to get past ours? I think that people in our country are extremely hypocritical. People need to have more sympathy. I'm sure that Giuliani is having a hard enough time trying to cope with his crumbling family, and the media just keeps bringing it up and shoving it into his face even more. The leaders that we choose need to be capable of making smart decisions, and although Giuliani has made some poor ones, he needs a fair chance to at least try to make some good ones. If we just take a look at his political standpoints and not at his personal life, the election would be much more fair. As for his religious beliefs, he has the right to believe whatever he wants, just like everyone else in America. I am a religious person, but if a homosexual or an Athiest, who had good leadership skills and seemed like they could lead our country in a good direction, ran for president, there would be a good chance that I would vote for them. Just because they don't share the same beliefs as I do, doesn't mean that they won't be a good leader. This shouldn't be about a candidate's personal life. This should be about who can run our country with everyone's best interests in mind.


p.s. You are a.p. students...PLEASE learn how to spell!

Anonymous said...

Rudy Gulianni said himself:
"There are many qualities that make a great leader. But having strong beliefs, being able to stick with them through popular and unpopular times, is the most important characteristic of a great leader."
Hmm...how ironic? If he can't even stick to what he SAYS, how are we supposed to trust what he says in times of crisis?

The decisions we make in life make up our character, and if Guilanni wants to make the wrong decisions, he won't get the votes.