Friday, October 26, 2007

Remember Iraq?

Op-Ed Columnist
Remember Iraq

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: October 24, 2007
Boy, am I glad we finally got out of Iraq. It was so painful waking up every morning and reading the news from there. It’s just such a relief to have it out of mind and behind us.
Huh? Say what? You say we’re still there? But how could that be — nobody in Washington is talking about it anymore?
I don’t know whether it was the sheer agony of the debate over Gen. David Petraeus’s testimony, or the fact that the surge really has dampened casualties, or the failure by Democrats to force an Iraq withdrawal through Congress, or the fact that all the leading Democratic presidential contenders have signaled that they will not precipitously withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq, but the air has gone out of the Iraq debate.
That is too bad. Neglect is not benign when it comes to Iraq — because Iraq is not healthy. Iraq is like a cancer patient who was also running a high fever from an infection (Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia). The military surge has brought down the fever, but the patient still has cancer (civil war). And we still don’t know how to treat it. Surgery? Chemotherapy? Natural healers? Euthanasia?
To the extent that the surge has worked militarily, it is largely because of what Iraqis have done by themselves for themselves — Iraqi Sunni tribal leaders rising up against pro-Qaeda Sunni elements, taking back control of their villages and towns, and aligning themselves with U.S. forces to do so. Some Shiites are now doing the same.
There has been no equivalent surprise, though, in Iraqi politics, yet. If you see that — if you see Iraqi politicians surprising you by doing things they’ve never done before, like forging a self-sustaining political compromise and building the fabric of a unified country, then you can allow yourself some optimism.
So far, though, too many of Iraq’s leaders continue to act their part — looking out for themselves, their clans, their hometowns, their militias and their sects, and using the Iraqi treasury and ministries as looting grounds for personal or sectarian gains.
As a result, what you have today is more of a spotty truce, with U.S. soldiers still caught in the middle. That is a quiet strategy, not an exit strategy.
Study the travel itineraries of Iraq’s principal factional leaders after the Petraeus hearings. Did they all rush to Baghdad to try to work out their differences? No. Many of them took off for abroad.
As one U.S. official in Baghdad pointed out to me last week, “at no point” since the testimony by General Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker “have you had the four key Iraqi leaders in the same country at the same time.” They saw the hearings as buying them more time, and so they took it.
“We have created a real case of moral hazard in Iraq,” said Marc Lynch, a Middle East specialist at George Washington University. “Because all the key players think the Americans are going to bail them out, they have no incentive to make any real concessions to one another.”
Indeed, I continue to believe that everyone has us where they want us in Iraq: We’re holding up the floor for Iraqi politicians to do their endless tribal dance; we are bogged down and within missile range of Iran, so if we try to use any military force to disrupt Tehran’s nuclear program we will pay a huge price; and as long as we are trapped in Iraq, we will never even think about promoting reform elsewhere in the Arab world — to the relief of all Arab autocrats.
No question, there has been more local cross-sectarian dialogue lately, particularly between Shiite and Sunni elders. But that seems to be the limit of Iraqi politics.
People there can act as tribes, sects and clans, but not as a unified government — so there is no one systematically consolidating whatever gains the surge has made.
It still feels to me as if we’ve made Iraq just safe enough for its politicians to be obstinate, corrupt or reckless on our dime. Even the moderate Kurds must have developed some kind of death wish, allowing their radicals to simultaneously provoke both Turkey and Iran and risking the island of real decency the Kurds have built in the north.
General Petraeus’s strategy is to keep trying to knit the different militias and tribal fragments in Iraq together into a national army and government so we can shrink our presence. I truly wish him well. But I don’t see it happening without two things: some shock therapy — like a firm U.S. withdrawal signal — to spur Iraqi leaders, and a regional settlement. That is, without resolving the cold war in the Middle East that now pits America on one side and Iran and Syria on the other, I’m not sure you can stabilize Iraq, Lebanon or Israel-Palestine.
Letting everyone know that we’re not staying there forever would be the best way to catalyze both local and regional negotiations and give us something we don’t now have: leverage. Just letting Iraq recede into the back pages does not serve our interests.
If we’re going to just forget about Iraq, let’s do it when we’re gone — not when we’re still there.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

I do not like fighting wars just as much as everybody else. However, deep down inside I know this is a war worth fighting for. Maybe it is easier for me to see this since I am not there fighting.

But I remember 9/11. I remember how the terrorists stole OUR planes, sent them into OUR buildings on OUR soil. I mourned the death of 4,000 innocent lives. I honored the bravery of the fire fighters who helped rescue people. And to this day, I am still pissed off at those terrorists.

We went into Afghanistan looking for that coward Osama Bin Laden. He tells other people to commit suicide and yet he doesn't. He hides in caves. I personally want to help him see allah.

But while we were in Afghanistan, our intelligence thought that Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction." That he was giving some to Osama Bin Laden. So we played games with him and the UN. We told him where and when the UN inspectors were coming. It was stupid. Of course they didn't find any W.O.M.D.'s. I'm not surprised. Even if he did have W.O.M.D.'s, we gave him ample time to move them to a location not being inspected. We would officially never know.

But America does not like to play games. It was a day in March. I was in the sixth grade. I was home sick too. I puked in school the day before... But I watched the news. I watch our planes bomb Baghdad to smithereens.

And now, we want to leave? without victory? No. We have honor that we need to uphold. We have to keep our respect.

After bombing Pearl Harbor on that day of infamy, Japanese Admiral Yamamoto was like, "o crap, we woke the sleeping giant. USA is pissed at us now." We all know how we ended the problem. We had with us some generals who just did not want to lose like General Patton.

Then there was Vietnam. We went there to fight communism. Some of our troops die. We mourned them, but we never really moved on. It got to the point where people were like, "ok, 5000 people died so lets go home." Is the war on terrorism coming to this? If the terrorists can kill 5 American soldiers, they can win a war? No. we stay there and we fight. We fight harder and longer until there are no more terrorists. We make the terrorists wonder why they even for a split second thought about sending OUR planes into OUR buildings on OUR soil.

I guarantee that the terrorists are pissed at us just as much as we are. I guarantee that if we leave, they will recuperate.

This war is kinda like a football game. There was a coin toss. The terrorists won that. (They sent OUR planes into OUR buildings). They chose to receive. So we chose where to defend. We chose to defend in THEIR backyard on THEIR soil. It's kickoff time. So we kick the ball. Since the terrorists were so interested in our Boeing airplanes, we send them our OTHER Boeing airplanes. Their offense is trying to get to our country to score a touchdown. But every good defense knows that there needs to be constant pressure on that quarterback. We have so much pressure on the terrorists on their soil, they cannot even come near our country. They cannot even think about entering our country. They need time to think but we ain't gonna give it to 'em. If we leave Iraq, it is kinda like the Husker defense running to the the husker end zone when the ball is on the opposing team's 5 yard line. The other team will run 95 yards and score. What would everyone say? Well, we'd all want heads to roll. We'd want coaches to be fired. If we withdraw, the terrorists can recuperate, plan, and commence another attack on OUR soil. Maybe a Muslim invasion. Who knows.

So what does this mean? another 9/11? If we leave. Who knows. But maybe everybody but me wants to fight the terrorists in downtown Omaha. Ooo. There is Offut Air Force Base not to far from Papio South. Isn't there stratcom signs on Hwy 370? Isn't strategic command an important military division or something? Didn't George W. Bush go to OAFB during 9/11 in a bunker? I have always thought OAFB. It would be like another white house. Why gee I wonder, where might the terrorists try to attack...

Patton said, "Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn't give a hoot and hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor ever lose a war." It disgusts me that people in congress plan to leave Iraq and accept defeat. The very thought sends shivers down my spine. I cannot understand why they want to loose. After Vietnam and Iraq, it appears our country is afraid of war. How can we consider ourselves the arsenal of freedom if we cannot fight wars? I will guarantee every, single candidate running for president, I will not vote for someone who wants us to loose a war. Period. They are not helping us win by scheming ways to get out of Iraq. That is called defeat. Heaven forbid we lose. The terrorists would walk all over us like they were in Mecca. We need to scheme how to get rid of the terrorists. That is called victory.

Beef Sandwich said...

You know what wild wx man? You need to show some fricken respect. Vietnam was not some walk in and fight and die and leave. Do you have any idea how bad it was?! Men coming home everyday injured, dead, or missing a couple limbs. You act like our country just wanted to kill some of our people. Like we thought a little less population in the states would help us out. Now don't get me wrong, I am severely discontent with terrorists, because a lover could never hate. But one cannot simply just make a reference to one of the most blood running wars of this country's history.
On the other hand, you do have a point. Why go into some country, send man after man, husband after husband, son after son, women after women, wife after wife, and daughter after daughter and then suddenly decide "nope, we're done." That is not the way to go. Now I will repeat myself for dramatic effect, That is not the way to go! Why would we lose(it's spelled that way by the way)? We win, it's what the United States has done, even before it existed. There is no excuse for us to back out now. Why not finish what we started?
Another thing that has been itching at my mind, why don't we just blow the crap outta them? We certainly did that 60 years back. We even took picture of it so that we could show all our buddies. Now I know times have changed, but it's not like Iraq has a whole bunch of allies who will come out and ask us to justify our excuse. Were we really that much more racist 60 years back?

Anonymous said...

Maybe I did blow things out of proportion in Vietnam. (I was just trying to point out that we never really 'finished' what we started... and yes, I do agree that things were ugly back then. I was not alive back then but maybe if I was, I might have a different view about our 'success' there. I am sorry to those that may have been offended.)

If we are not in Iraq to fight terrorism then we are probably there for oil. The Iraqis are not using it so I guess that justifies us to take it and use it? I like to think we are there to protect our borders and help other people have the opportunity to live life better.

I too have thought about using a certain weapon in our arsenal that maybe terrorists don't have. Launch it to a remote part in the desert where no one would get harmed. But I guess we need to try to be humane as possible without giving the terrorists an advantage. It probably wouldn't be good to be the cause of mutated children in the middle east. It's a very fine line between fighting a war to win no matter the cost and sinking to how the terrorists fight: harming innocent people. We struggled a little fighting the terrorists in Iraq at the beginning of the war because they used human shields. It is horrific someone would devise such a thought. We did not want to sink to their level and kill innocent people.

But as the war continues on, we cannot back down. We can not abandon the war. We are there. We ain't leaving 'til we is done. We are going to do it the American way: victory.

Zeratul said...

Okay, first things first, Beef. Do you really think that just dropping some bombs on Iraq will finish things? Take a minute to step back and think on that. If we just opened up and fired on them, you'd have huge humanitarian issues. Don't forget how these terrorists fight; they live right in there with the people we're trying to protect. Yeah, they're cowards hiding behind women and children, but, hey, they're darn good at it, and it seems to work pretty well at this point. Secondly, you would have some pretty nice repercussions if we just opened fire on the country. Yeah, they don't have real allies, but they have something far worse in the end. Sympathisers. I'm sure I don't have to tell you how little the Muslim nations like us, especially the radical bands sewn throughout the Middle East. If America went in and bombed Iraq, just so we didn't feel like loosers, places like Iran, people like Osama would turn around and say to all the people around them, "Hey, see what America just did? They killed innocent Muslim lives! They jumped the line for sure now! It's an open declaration of war on all Islamic nations!" Pre-etty sure that making new enemies wouldn't help us "win" a War on Terror.
Which leads me to my second point. We, as Americans, seem to be developing a nasty case of what I like to call the "Fett Disorder". I'm sure some of you read my past posts on this type of thing, but just as a refresher, here's how the "disease" works. Terrorists decide they want to do their jobs, and instill terror in their enemies (not backing them up, but that's kinda what they aim for), so they do. The victim (in this case, us) is scared to the point that we loose our wits. We are so unsure of what to do, we go with our instincts, and look for safety. How does saftey come? Well... if they hurt us... why not hurt them back, right? I mean, heck, we've got the firepower to kill them all off! Revenge is a driving force and a vastly influential instinct for humans.
Oh... wait... I missed my point? Oh yeah, that's right. You CAN'T just kill them all! They're human; they have kids too! And if Little Son of Terrorist sees daddy die by Western (let alone American) hands, what is Little Son of Terrorist going to do? Well... human instinct is... be afraid. So someone comes to him and says, "Hey, don't be scared, I'll help you!" Now he feels safe. But in return... they'll give him more. They'll give him Revenge, the chance to give back what he's gotten, in kind! Guess what? You just spawned another Terrorist! And he goes, gets a family, has kids of his own, but now Little Son of Terrorist can make his move. And he dies. To another American gun. And so the cycle continues...
Finally, I just wanna say that I agree with Mr. Friedman's last remark. If nothing else, we need to give the Iraqi government a wake-up call and say, "Hey, we're leaving you in x months" or whatever. You can't keep your kid on training wheels forever, and he's gotta fall sometime. The least we could do is give them a little scare, just say it, threaten it, and if nothing goes forward, stick around a tad longer. But even at that, we still have to pull out soon after, no jokes. We stay, slap their hand, say, "Shape it up," and then move on.

Anonymous said...

This is a war on terror. Right now, the battlefield is Iraq. I do not know where the thought came in that the terrorists are only at war with Iraq. Did they not send airplanes into our buildings? We leaving Iraq does two things: Forces the Iraqis to take control of their country and trusting the safety of our borders in hands of the Iraqi government.

We are in Iraq fighting terrorists. They do not like America that much. (let us remember, they sent some airplanes into our buildings.) We have the terrorists on the run. How do I know? We attacked the "terrorists' world." If I was a leader of a country, and someone else attacked me, I would attack back, who wouldn't? Here's the problem the terrorists have (a plus for us though): they cannot attack us because they are focused on protecting their homeland. If we were not putting pressure on them, then there would more than likely be another terrorist attack on our country because they are probably pissed off at us for going into their homeland and killing them. I would. And I was when they invaded my country on September 11, 2001.

This is not a matter of whether or not we fight the terrorists. America needs to decide where to fight the terrorists. Right now, the majority of Republicans want to fight the terrorists in Iraq. They propose we stay in Iraq and fight. The majority of Democrats want to fight the terrorists in the United States of America. They propose, we need to leave Iraq and Twiddle our thumbs.

ham sandwhich said...

Hmm, mr wild wx man we are in Iraq for oil obviously. But its not the only reason, but its a real good one in my opinion. Also how would we be sinking to their level if we do hurt innocent people? It happens everywhere,all the time and it will never stop, especially in the U.S. Stop saying how we Americans are supposed to be that much better and on a higher level. The terrorists aren't just a bunch of crazy guys out to kill people. They fight for what they believe in. And so do we. Its merely a difference of ideals rather than people.
Hmm, also mr zeratul(starcraft fan) your "fett disorder" sounded , no offense, really idiotic. I know what ur trying to say but how u worded it caused me to puke a bit.

Beef Sandwich said...

Zeratul, I do know the terrorists like to hide, but that sure didn't stop us 60 years back. I know I'm starting to overuse that, but it still is the same scenario except we call them a different name. I mean, they blew up a big piece of the US Navy, killed many people, ran back to their nation, and waited with their innocent others. It's not like every japanese person was right behind their actions. Are the terrorists that much different? They blew up the WTC, killed many many people, and never touched US soil again. So what stops us from doing the same to the same situation? And the humanitarian rights group, if they don't want the innocent to get hurt, why not just send them over to negotiate with the terrorists? Ask them if they will and see how many volunteer. This isn't some joke.

You know I've been thinking about the great quote. "We've learned by now that it isn't weakness that keeps the peace, it's strength. Our foreign policy has been based on the fear of not being liked. Well it's nice to be liked. But it's more important to be respected". Want to take a guess who that is? Reagan and he's right. We need to stop caring about being liked so much and start gaining that respect.

Blue Shortie said...

Since 2001, headlines have been bursting with information and opinions of Iraq. Yet today, it's almost difficult to even find one article on it. What's wrong with this? Have the people gotten bored of the subject and want to move on? I personally don't know. These men and women who are daily risking their lives for our protection and freedom have been forgotten, dropped from our minds nearly as quickly as they dropped from our media. Politics must have some influence, and now with the lack of support for the war it is being downplayed.
It surprises me to realize that our country is forgetting Iraq. Although that may sound harsh, we are impacted by our media and as they leave it behind in their stories we leave behind in past events. It made a difference when every evening while watching the news you heard about the activites occuring over in the Middle East. It helped our nation to realize that people are in danger and need our help. I'm not saying that currently everyone doesn't still care, it's just that it isn't a large priority anymore to most.

abnstrike said...

You are very passionate Wild WX Man but a little missguided. Those terrorists you keep talking about who attacked us on 9/11 weren't Iraqi, most of them were Saudis and nuking a country is extremely impractical to say the least. You say Iraq is the battleground but the intelligence at the time was wrong and everything went to hell because of the Bush administration. You say Sadam most likely had nukes, well why did he execute one of his own advisers just for suggesting to do just that before. Your Pearl Harbor analogy sucks too because back then it was totally different, the nation was at war, now no one gives a crap.